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I cannot with them after the whole Britney Jean fiasco. :moorangu: If this kind of management continues, she will be forgotten. These new kids won't know what a legend she was. :crying3:

 

My biggest beef with her team is how they pick the wrong singles! Nothing against perfume (it's an amazing song) but ballads have never been Britney's biggest hits TBH... :nowaygif: And then they go and sensor what could have been an amazing video!! UHG!!! :icantt: You're right tho, her team doesn't stress her legendary status enough..  :mhm:

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I don't get the shit comment but that's your opinion. Mine is that it was really good.

http://vimeo.com/82571950

The problem I had is that I was way excited for it from all the hype surrounding it and then it just didn't seem personal. I felt like the scenes were set up...thanksgiving, the creative meetings, idk. Something wasn't genuine about it like her past ones have.

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Let me spill some truth tea.

 

There aren't enough documentaries. Not enough TV specials centered on her and her peak. Britney's name doesn't appear high in several countdowns. Media outlets don't praise her as much. Her iconic songs don't appear on movie soundtracks when there are good opportunities for it.

 

And no, a lot of "praise" is not always genuine... it also relies heavily on the team's media power and connections in the industry. Whereas you see figures like Beyonce and Taylor Swift (as a Taylor fan, I can tell you her new album is dreadful) being overrated left and right.

 

Is Vegas the best they can do? :zoomzoom: A local Britney day?

 

It's unforgivable a lot of the new generation is unaware of her impact. When you look at the receipts, you'd appreciate how she very much comes from a golden age of pop.

 

Performed with MJ

 

 

VMA 2000

 

 

And yet, these performances are almost forgotten (except for the yearly VMA recap perhaps). Her catalog sales aren't doing as much as what you'd expect from someone who's sold as much as she has. It all reeks of poor management of her legacy. Whatever condition Britney is in right now as a performer or musician, she has done MORE THAN ENOUGH in her peak to be regarded as a legend. But, let's be real, majority of the public don't believe so.

Briney's team? Please sweety, let's NOT be delusional. There, I said it. I love the girl but you know what? It's her team that tried to make her do comeback after comeback. She's the one who keeps buggering it up with her lazy performances. Her team doesn't move her arms, legs and body.. she does. Britney is the one who made herself become a shadow of her former self. This is coming from a Britney fan who grew up with her. Most of the fans britney has now are either new fans, or ones who are hoping that BRITNEY SPEARS will make  comeback. Fans like me are only hanging around because we grew up with her, not because we're happy with the flopstar she's become. Seriously! Watch her old interviews, HER OLD PERFORMANCES! Remember when her performances gave you chills? Yeah! That's the britney we want. Not whatever the bloody hell she's become. Britney needs to let 2007 go. She's way past that! The girl has the experience of a show girl veteran, why the hell won't she use her skills. You DON'T just forget to move\dance! Take it from a dancer who started dancing because of 1999-2003 Britney!

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She's got more documentaries than other stars have.. Britney is the one who is not proffesional enough, and that is fine, that is what SHE wants. You want AGAIn to control her life, and act like mr. know-it-all.

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Briney's team? Please sweety, let's NOT be delusional. There, I said it. I love the girl but you know what? It's her team that tried to make her do comeback after comeback. She's the one who keeps buggering it up with her lazy performances. Her team doesn't move her arms, legs and body.. she does. Britney is the one who made herself become a shadow of her former self. This is coming from a Britney fan who grew up with her. Most of the fans britney has now are either new fans, or ones who are hoping that BRITNEY SPEARS will make  comeback. Fans like me are only hanging around because we grew up with her, not because we're happy with the flopstar she's back. Seriously! Watch her old interviews, HER OLD PERFORMANCES! Remember when her performances gave you chills? Yeah! That's the britney we want. Not whatever the bloody hell she's become. Britney needs to let 2007 go. She's way past that! The girl has the experience of a show girl veteran, why the hell won't she use her skills. You DON'T just forget to move\dance! Take it from a dancer who started dancing because of 1999-2003 Britney!

 

True. That's what I think. I've been a fan since 2000, and even if it's true that her team made mistakes in the last few years... she's the main problem. She's the one lip-synching, she's the one NOT dancing, she's the one NOT performing on tv, she's the one publishing an album in which 50% of the songs are not even sung by her, she's the one not committing herself in her works, she's the one not caring about her public image.

I don't even care about sales anymore, it's just that the quality of what she does is simply.... low.

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I can't at y'all blaming Britney, BJ flopped because of no promotion, she doesn't organize her promotion her team does :yakno: , and her tema only organized 2 comebacks, 2007 which they gave up on after the VMAs and 2008 which was actually pretty succesful :mhm: . Femme Fatale still sold great, she had 3 top 10 singles, and even though her promo performances were not the best she had some great tour moments.

 

By the way Britney lip syncs and has always lip synced, why is it an issue now? She lip synced all but like 30 seconds of DWAD did y'all forget. Sure no part of POM is live but she needs confidence, and backing vocalists that can cover up if she misses a note because of how exhausted she is (Like BOMT in DWAD) and she should start singing ballads live, and touring again, all this is simple and have you ever thought that maybe she can't perform anywhere else because of her PH contract?

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By the way Britney lip syncs and has always lip synced, why is it an issue now?

 

i think cuz there's more variety now of female celebrities and most of them sing live

 

i see both sides of the comments and i agree with everything to an extent. You can tell the difference with these 2 videos

 

 

 

 

Then again, she was 17 in the first one and 32 in the other. That's almost half the lifetime with a lot of stuff going in. She longs for the retired life, and I think she should have it. It doesn't matter what the fans think for that because everyone has their own life to live as she does

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i think cuz there's more variety now of female celebrities and most of them sing live

 

i see both sides of the comments and i agree with everything to an extent. You can tell the difference with these 2 videos

 

 

 

 

Then again, she was 17 in the first one and 32 in the other. That's almost half the lifetime with a lot of stuff going in. She longs for the retired life, and I think she should have it. It doesn't matter what the fans think for that because everyone has their own life to live as she does

I see what you mean, I do notice things, but I think that all Britney is lacking is self confidence, and that first Crazy performance could happen again

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I see what you mean, I do notice things, but I think that all Britney is lacking is self confidence, and that first Crazy performance could happen again

 

Yeah, i would be tired too if people would be wanting me to be like I was when i was 15 years younger. So much stuff has gone and I wouldn't even wanna be that person but an upgraded version for the better.

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Britney started to lip sync in the first place because her vocals were attacked because she didn't sound like Xtina and Co. And of course she was already being accused of lip-syncing from the start even when she wasn't. Then She tried to put the best show on possible for the fans. Today's singers are often praised with just singing live even when they sound bad. What reception do you think Britney will get if she sounded as bad as Katy does at times? 

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I clocked those cunts from when the comeback was happening. It wasn't done properly, she still got dragged then and THAT was the time for her legacy to be cemented and instead it FUCKED it up slightly. People were excited, on the bandwagon and instead she was the face of lip syncing, in an era that takes it's self so seriously; they had her lipping to the actual track on talent shows and the same vocals when she was 16? Did they not think she was gonna get dragged? They didn't want it to be perfect? Money money money, that what they're all about.

They then cheapened her music by making it sound like everything else at the time, I got it with Circus the damage control album, but the stuff after; I liked FF but it's Britney Spears, she had Blackout and ITZ, it's a step backwards for a few hits. The fact that FF was half marketed as some kind of comeback album says it all and she wasn't looking like how the public expected Britney to look so that fucked it up more. And the promo issue :4music: :4music: :4music: :4music: :frenchy: :frenchy: :frenchy: :frenchy:  the main reason her albums aren't selling as much as they should be, Circus could have sold WAY more than it did, FF and even BJ (well Work bitch). It's a fucking mess and the worst part is they have just made it an elephant in the room situation, especially with the dancing aspect and that is another reason she's not taken seriously, she lips and barely dances. They/she needs to acknowledge it, she doesn't need to give any detail but people will make their own assumptions and because of the breakdown; they won't be good assumptions, which leads to more not taking Britney seriously. It's the pretending she's the same as she was when she was 23 when the whole world knows that she isn't like that anymore. Things need to be addressed, maybe she really doesn't want to address them in her music but she'll always be seen as weird by the superficial and ignorant public she wants to by her records. Would have made sense to do that in the Circus era tbh.

Her need should see that if she isn't gonna address that shit then let her be a grown up on her song albums, she wanted the Unusual you style lyrics for FF but they stopped it? She coulda faked personal or loosely based hints at things with lyrics, she wanted guitar stuff on BJ and that didn't happen either, it probably would have helped.

Britney will die before her legacy is waht it sould be  because she is too modest. She needs to realise her team work for her and not the other way round, that's why others are seen as better and more impact than her. because others don't make that mistake.

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Briney's team? Please sweety, let's NOT be delusional. There, I said it. I love the girl but you know what? It's her team that tried to make her do comeback after comeback. She's the one who keeps buggering it up with her lazy performances. Her team doesn't move her arms, legs and body.. she does. Britney is the one who made herself become a shadow of her former self. This is coming from a Britney fan who grew up with her. Most of the fans britney has now are either new fans, or ones who are hoping that BRITNEY SPEARS will make comeback. Fans like me are only hanging around because we grew up with her, not because we're happy with the flopstar she's back. Seriously! Watch her old interviews, HER OLD PERFORMANCES! Remember when her performances gave you chills? Yeah! That's the britney we want. Not whatever the bloody hell she's become. Britney needs to let 2007 go. She's way past that! The girl has the experience of a show girl veteran, why the hell won't she use her skills. You DON'T just forget to move\dance! Take it from a dancer who started dancing because of 1999-2003 Britney!

I do understand and Britney is very much to blame, too. But if you look through history, there are figures who have had short peaks and declines as well.

Do people remember Elvis for his decline? Him getting fat in Vegas? They remember him at his BEST and that has to do with how his estate is managed.

But with Britney, her breakdown is still so highlighted and emphasized.

The dancing thing is a different issue for another thread. :)

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I completely agree. There's a huge spread of Taylor in the new issue of TIME, where they recount the highest debuting albums in their first week and how many albums artists sold in the US before the age of 25. Britney isn't even mentioned in any of the graphics. I fully intend on writing to them for this, but honestly, Britney's legacy is being so mishandled it bothers me immensely. Half a generation later and young kids still only know Breakdown Britney instead of record-holding ceiling-shattering Britney. Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

It's things like THESE.

You hear about legends from the media, sometimes you are able to rewrite history depending how much you push it.

But, Larry lately seems to be on his "cost cutting" strategy, very short-term, as if Britney and her family won't receive more benefits in the long run if they invest in pushing her legacy with awards, acclaim, etc :zoomzoom:

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I clocked those cunts from when the comeback was happening. It wasn't done properly, she still got dragged then and THAT was the time for her legacy to be cemented and instead it FUCKED it up slightly. People were excited, on the bandwagon and instead she was the face of lip syncing, in an era that takes it's self so seriously; they had her lipping to the actual track on talent shows and the same vocals when she was 16? Did they not think she was gonna get dragged? They didn't want it to be perfect? Money money money, that what they're all about.

They then cheapened her music by making it sound like everything else at the time, I got it with Circus the damage control album, but the stuff after; I liked FF but it's Britney Spears, she had Blackout and ITZ, it's a step backwards for a few hits. The fact that FF was half marketed as some kind of comeback album says it all and she wasn't looking like how the public expected Britney to look so that fucked it up more. And the promo issue :4music: :4music: :4music: :4music: :frenchy: :frenchy: :frenchy: :frenchy: the main reason her albums aren't selling as much as they should be, Circus could have sold WAY more than it did, FF and even BJ (well Work bitch). It's a fucking mess and the worst part is they have just made it an elephant in the room situation, especially with the dancing aspect and that is another reason she's not taken seriously, she lips and barely dances. They/she needs to acknowledge it, she doesn't need to give any detail but people will make their own assumptions and because of the breakdown; they won't be good assumptions, which leads to more not taking Britney seriously. It's the pretending she's the same as she was when she was 23 when the whole world knows that she isn't like that anymore. Things need to be addressed, maybe she really doesn't want to address them in her music but she'll always be seen as weird by the superficial and ignorant public she wants to by her records. Would have made sense to do that in the Circus era tbh.

Her need should see that if she isn't gonna address that shit then let her be a grown up on her song albums, she wanted the Unusual you style lyrics for FF but they stopped it? She coulda faked personal or loosely based hints at things with lyrics, she wanted guitar stuff on BJ and that didn't happen either, it probably would have helped.

Britney will die, before her legacy is try know because she is too modest. She needs to realise her team work for her and not the other way round, that's why others are seen as better and more impact than her. because others don't make that mistake.

I'm not even as worried about the reception of her recent work as her PRIME work.

Spotify for example is a new platform in reaching out to the new generation. And yet, her followers are a lot LESS than her peers like Beyoncé, JT, Pink. This all in spite of her having songs in her discography that we deem iconic, such as BOMT, Toxic, Oops. In spite of her having a massive hit in 2013 with Scream n Shout, she's not even that far off from JLo. :gloria:

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(Sorry I keep having after thoughts) but I think we need to remember that there might be good reason for her well being why she is sheltered and protected. We all know (though we don't know specifics) her stiffness/robotic-ness is a side effect from some medication she's on. I think she would be able to dance much better and probably be more outgoing had she not been prescribed these meds but mentally would she be in a better place? I'm not so sure. From what I've noticed in her POM performances she tried with the moves, and knows them well but she has a difficult time executing them because I don't think she can do it full out physically.

She's shown personality in every interview in the past 2 years. Even in the FF era, there were some good ones, so I doubt she's on much medication nowadays.

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I'm really afraid this might happen one day. She and her team really have to do something about it.

Imagine one day, someone playing BOMT and people being like idk her :crying3:

Whereas Thriller and Like A Virgin existed and people are still familiar with it.

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I do understand and Britney is very much to blame, too. But if you look through history, there are figures who have had short peaks and declines as well.

Do people remember Elvis for his decline? Him getting fat in Vegas? They remember him at his BEST and that has to do with how his estate is managed.

But with Britney, her breakdown is still so highlighted and emphasized.

The dancing thing is a different issue for another thread. :)

 

Elvis is dead now that's partly why and I hear John Lennon's death helped the beatles too but they have paid for shit too, Britney's breakdown is a HUGE part of why she will be a legend after death. When it's spoken about properly it's a young American girl sold a dream and destoryed by it, there's sociology books on her. The rise will go in conjunction with that so the records and iconic peformances will be included in that, but it's post breakdown Britney that's the problem. Yes Britney is partly to blame but that team of hers they focus on the things that make them money and not preserving her legacy and stopping stupid shit from happening.

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but when the fans have better management, advice, I've heard really good "tour" mixes from fans, seen better costume ideas, even better vocals that fans have edited, better "DVD"'s, better photoshop pics, better everything from fans. :pieceofwhat:

we need to take over and let britney be herself and help her when she needs it. I mean, think thats why blackout is so iconic, cause it was all britney :blackoutsmiley:


those are just my thoughts on britney's team. I mean, I'm happy with whatever she does but they could do alot better for what britney is paying them. :lolokay:

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I'm not even as worried about the reception of her recent work as her PRIME work.

Spotify for example is a new platform in reaching out to the new generation. And yet, her followers are a lot LESS than her peers like Beyoncé, JT, Pink. This all in spite of her having songs in her discography that we deem iconic, such as BOMT, Toxic, Oops. In spite of her having a massive hit in 2013 with Scream n Shout, she's not even that far off from JLo. :gloria:

 

That's partly to do with how things are now with her, if that comeback was done right, the things in her prime would be lorded but it wasn't done properly. They think in the moment instead of her whole career and that's the problem. It will all be restored after she passes, she's in people's mind but in a negative way, I watched a doc on shicking pop moments and Britney's breakdown was #4 behind MJ, Elvis and John Lennon's death.

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Elvis is dead now that's partly why and I hear John Lennon's death helped the beatles too but they have paid for shit too, Britney's breakdown is a HUGE part of why she will be a legend after death. When it's spoken about properly it's a young American girl sold a dream and destoryed by it, there's sociology books on her. The rise will go in conjunction with that so the records and iconic peformances will be included in that, but it's post breakdown Britney that's the problem. Yes Britney is partly to blame but that team of hers they focus on the things that make them money and not preserving her legacy and stopping stupid shit from happening.

I don't see her accolades being as mentioned as her breakdown these days, though. There are figures who are remembered mainly for their failures and tragedies. But in any case, I'm not sure if that's better than being forgotten.

I mentioned this in the first page, there are figures like Janet Jackson, Cliff Richards, even to an extent, Shania, who used to be HUGE, but are frequently ignored by mainstream media today. Without media support, I don't see new generations embracing Primeney the way I see them doing for people like Beyoncé, etc.

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That's partly to do with how things are now with her, if that comeback was done right, the things in her prime would be lorded but it wasn't done properly. They think in the moment instead of her whole career and that's the problem. It will all be restored after she passes, she's in people's mind but in a negative way, I watched a doc on shicking pop moments and Britney's breakdown was #4 behind MJ, Elvis and John Lennon's death.

Which one is this? That's good to hear, I guess :yaknow:

I rarely see Britney ranked high even on 00s countdowns (Beyoncé is a favorite), though, when we've lived through it and we all know who owned that decade.

She could've been more respected and legendary if she went full force again post-breakdown. But that's what makes it even more real and should give fans a healthy dose of reality. Some people never recover from it. They may be happy, but I think we need to accept Britney Spears, the performer and musician from her prime, is never coming back.

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I don't see her accolades being as mentioned as her breakdown these days, though. There are figures who are remembered mainly for their failures and tragedies. But in any case, I'm not sure if that's better than being forgotten.

I mentioned this in the first page, there are figures like Janet Jackson, Cliff Richards, even to an extent, Shania, who used to be HUGE, but are frequently ignored by mainstream media today. Without media support, I don't see new generations embracing Primeney the way I see them doing for people like Beyoncé, etc.

 

Beyonce won't be remembered as much as people will think, she's boring as far as legends go and her music isn't memorable, she pays for her compliments. It's another in the moment thing, time will not remember her in a big way, she won't be completely forgotten though, she never took a risk in her life personally or professionally, no impusiveness, so don't worry about that.

Cliff Richards was basically another Elvis and then got more basic after and again played it safe so of course he wasn't gonna be on that level but he's doing ok (well before this trial and I hope he's innocent), Janet overshadowed by her bro wasn't that much different although she should be more remembered.

Britney's accolades aren't really being mentioned now because post Breakdown Britney is overshadowing it all, that's what I'm trying to say. The comeback was too soon (the same year she was hospitalised) and on top of that there were clear flaws, and that's why is was so fresh in people's mind. Imgaine if everything went perfect on Circus or at least appeared that way? Do you think we would be having this discussion now? No we wouldn't. Britney's breakdown after death will be her story but her talent will be appreciated then because everyone will kiss her ass firstly, imagain it on the news whenever the story breaks, they will talk about how risky at the time Satisfaction/oops was and how good Slave vma was, that's what they do and then people who never gave a fuck will check the performances out after saying how sad her life was, it will in the end go back to her talent, but post breakdownney is in everyone's mind, like 'child molestor' MJ was in everone's mind, difference is MJ had a much longer career before it all went wrong for him, Britney had a few years.

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She's shown personality in every interview in the past 2 years. Even in the FF era, there were some good ones, so I doubt she's on much medication nowadays.

I mean her dancing. Sorry I didn't clarify. Btw this is what I read from a doctor's opinion I don't remember exactly where. 

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