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7 minutes ago, coupureelectrique said:


this is BS:frenchy: Taylor Swift, Selena Gomez, Ariana Grande, Rihanna all say hi :)

 

never have I seen a guy being accused of being gay for liking Rihanna... 

and I've never seen a grown up guy who liked Selena and Ariana so they wont even admit to it.. I was dragged as a babysitter to both an Ariana and a Selena concert and 90% of ppl there were girls below the age of 12...

as for Taylor... went to her concert out of my own will and there were plenty of straight guys there... something I cant say about being at FFT where all I could find were a bunch of drunk girls and their BGF...

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1 minute ago, Light Yagami said:

 

never have I seen a guy being accused of being gay for liking Rihanna... 

and I've never seen a grown up guy who liked Selena and Ariana so they wont even admit to it.. I was dragged as a babysitter to both an Ariana and a Selena concert and 90% of ppl there were girls below the age of 12...

as for Taylor... went to her concert out of my own will and there were plenty of straight guys there... something I cant say about being at FFT where all I could find were a bunch of drunk girls and their BGF...

But that's not Britney's problem, the problem here is that we live in a society where we love to put tags on people and where masculinity is the most fragile and ridiculous concept on earth. That's what really needs to change.

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@Light Yagami  Every female (and male) pop act is mostly admired and supported by gay people. That's why pop fans are usually labeled as "gay" even if the're straight. This happens everywhere but specially in the US. In some parts of Europe that's begining to change because more and more straight guys are being open about their admiration for pop acts and pop culture. Labels and gender roles are begining to fall. :yay1:
Taylor Swift and Rihanna are extemely associated to gay public. I don't know how you can't see that. Selena and Ariana are more associated to young public, but also gay public.

As @I_need_me  said, the problem here is the stupid necessity to put a label on people. 
As a matter of fact, I know some straight guys who admire Beyonce and Britney (Beyonce because she's being marketed as an activist - some years ago she was only associated to gay fans - and Britney because of her 90s aesthetic that's trending now in the GP - straight included - and because she's hotter than she's ever been and that's always atractive to straight guys). 


I disagree the album underperformed but if it did, that wouldn't be the reason at all, otherwise all those pop acts I have refered would "underperform" too.

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I don't think Glory underperformed. I just think it was released in a bad week to reach #1. Her sales numbers were great.
But... honestly, I think it would have had a better chance of charting higher if they picked a different lead single. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the song, but a super chill vibe song as a lead single is not what the GP expects of Britney and I think that turned people off from it. I don't know if they were expecting G-Eazy to have a larger following and to help or what with it. Also, the music video situation didn't help at all. They took too long to release a video and I know why it didn't get released and I'm happy Britney is happy with the music video but it's so uneventful for a Britney Spears music video for a lead single that I don't think that helped people catch onto the song, especially when we are living in the days where Youtube is a major factor.

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Glory is not underperforming. Let me break it down:

 

Circus era was HUGE for Britney. Particularly in the US. This was due to her highly publicised comeback that absolutely NOBODY could have predicted. That comeback will go down in herstory as the biggest comeback ever.

 

Femme Fatale was highly anticipated as the follow-up to Circus. It had a lot of radio-friendly hits. A catchy (but nothing special) first single, and two radio smash follow-up singles. Her tour got a lot of negative criticism though as her performances were lethargic and lacklustre. The GP started to lose interest, her fans started to lose hope. She was giving generic interviews, nervous TV appearances, cuecardney realness etc. It was a mess. 

 

The residency was announced. Fans panicked. Was FF the start of Britney's decline into retirement? Seemed likely. The GP were speculating the same.

 

Then BJ happened. No need to elaborate further on what a mess this era was. PG also happened (again, no further elaboration required)

 

The timeline between when this decline started was 2011. In 5 years, Britney's brand has taken a severe beating, and this time there is no breakdown to blame it on. The GP's opinion of her has taken a turn.

 

Then in the last year or so, her performances have been sharper, she's got that fire back. Her fans can see it because we check for it every day. We check for insta videos, we check for interviews etc. The GP doesn't. The GP sees whatever parts of the promo they happen to be exposed to.

 

IMHO, we should have expected Glory to perform much lower than it has. The positive press around Glory and the fact that it's her second highest metacritic score for her entire discography is probably what saved it, in addition to the promo.

 

If she continues to promote this album and gives us great videos and singles then there's hope for B10 to outperform Glory, however, Glory has NOT underperformed. It has somewhat erased the damage of the last 5 years and set Britney in good stead to return properly to Primeny 2.0. A lot of people didn't have high expectations with Glory, no matter how much her team hyped it. They hyped BJ as her most personal album to date and look how that turned out. Now that Britney and her team have DELIVERED something great, the GP and fans will be excited for B10 and as long as they deliver something great for that too, B10 will more than likely see higher sales figures. But to say Glory underperformed is absolutely ridiculous. It has seen higher global chart positions than her last album and is getting mass critical acclaim, so no, it did not underperform.

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4 minutes ago, NoCure4Kunts said:

If she continues to promote this album and gives us great videos and singles then there's hope for B10 to outperform Glory, however, Glory has NOT underperformed. It has somewhat erased the damage of the last 5 years and set Britney in good stead to return properly to Primeny 2.0.


Exactly. :hug:

People think it underperformed because the album is one of the best of her entire career and it deserved to sell like 500k copies 1st week in the US BUT in pop culture things never work in a "it deserved so it achieved" way. Britney's brand was in the trash since the X Factor days (or FF Tour days, maybe). She made some terrible career choices and GP lost the interest. This could have been career suicide.

Her main goal with this album was to control that damage and reinvent her brand and she ACHIEVED IT. These results show GP is still interested, specially in Europe, Latin America and Asia, where the album had close to 0 promotion and reached some of the biggest chart positions of her career.  Press is still interested. Fans are more than interested.  

Now that she achieved that, she has to work in order to maintain her public and expand it further. She will achieve that along the promotion of this album but the bigger results will show only with the next album if she continues releasing great songs and promoting them (I think releasing a 'greatest hits' after glory would be a huge mistake. she can't feed the "has been" image anymore).

Also, she's starting her real return to the stages now. During the Circus era she did some solid performances but not nearly as good as the ones she's doing now at her POM shows. During the FF Tour her promo performances were terrible.
Now she needs to be GREAT at the festivals to prove the GP she's really back. 

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You know what, I'm at a loss here - but my opinion is this:

 

First and foremost, "Glory" is a great album and very well made.  The lyrics, the vocals, the vibe, are all excellent and in no way inferior to her competitors - in fact, I think it's a step above most of the current female pop stars who are seeing a lot more success than Britney right now.  But, in a world where Taylor Swift and Meghan Trainor dominate the charts, one has to wonder - does it really matter anymore?  Just look at the top 10 on iTunes for single sales - who are some of these people?  Did anyone watch the VMA's?  Who were most of those people?  Maybe I'm just getting older but I have NO interest in what is being sold in the pop world anymore.  It's all about gimmicks and anthems and sob story songs but in the end a lot of the current hits are so forgettable and flavor of the moment - at least when Britney was the biggest pop star in the world her music was memorable (which is why she can pull off her Vegas residency).  The sales of the album do not indicate the quality of the album and I truly hope a lot of her fans don't turn their back on it because it's not selling millions of copies.  

 

But, getting back to the main topic - there were some BIG mistakes which have already been pointed out but here it goes:

 

1 - "Make Me" - by far my least favorite first single off an album.  It's not a bad song, but i'm extremely bored with it by the time G-whatever comes in.  I love the way Britney sings the verses, it does flow well, but it's just - boring.  This is the type of song that's popular right now and yet wasn't a massive hit for Britney - why?  I'm not sure - except the girls that sing this type of song have younger fans who dominate the pop market and maybe Britney just doesn't appeal to them?  if so, good!  but, not good for sales.  The single is surprisingly doing well despite slow track, horrible music video, and a performance at the VMA's which was less than expected.

 

2 - The VMA's.  Ok, we were all hyped up for an amazing performance - which turned into a G-Whatever performance - complete yawn fest.  Britney looked great, hit her moves as best she could and of course, offered not one line note.  I'm sorry, I know it's been repeated a million times, but this is becoming a real issue.  We need a live performance - which actual live vocals otherwise she will continue on a downward spiral.  Why is it so difficult?  She sounded fine doing karaoke - so what is the problem?  at least give us half!  and I can't sit here and say her dancing is the reason - it's not 2004 - we aren't getting those moves back - if she didn't bring them to Vegas, we are never getting that again.  Also, since she's performing at the VMA's - people wanted a spectacle, something shocking - daring, you know, like Britney used to give us - we got nothing.  How hard would it have been to give us a shocking/daring moment?  Then I think to myself, perhaps she doesn't want to be the center of attention anymore and be the snake/Madonna kiss type anymore and would rather just have fun.  Ok, well then if that's the case we are experiencing the outcome.  It is what it is.  

 

3 - Britney's image.  We need a re-invention, badly.  In order to be more accepted and embraced musically, were going to need more live performances - again, this is a problem.  All last week I heard about the lip synching and horrible VMA performance.  Speaking of her GP image - I still hear comments about her head shaving and driving with her kids on her lap - for god's sake - that was 10 fucking years ago.  Can we get it over it already?  apparently not.

 

4 - Vegas.  I support Vegas 100% and liked the show - however, without being on tour, she can't even perform many new songs, and since it's a GH show, she's not being seen as a current artist. I'm ready for Vegas to end a full scale tour to begin - but that's not up to me.

 

I truly believe if "Glory" was released by any other pop tart they would be praised and it would be a big seller, but no, since it's Britney it's going to be forgotten.  If a song like "Liar" was released by Carrie Underwood, it would be a #1 hit.  It's disgusting, but true.  

 

That's just my opinion - and i'm no expert but these are some things i'm observing right about now.

 

 

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13 hours ago, Mike. said:

Make Me is the problem. I still like the song don't get me wrong but after listening to the album you just wonder why they wanted THAT to be the lead single. 

The album can have longevity if she keeps promoting it but right now they need to GIVE UP on Make Me asap. If they keep forcing it this era is going nowhere. 

This. Make Me is dead now! She needs a new single here soon or

Glory will diminish which is sad because the music has been the best in years :crying1: 

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Not everyone realizes she has a new album out.  Lets face it, most people do not watch the VMAs or MTV anymore.

 

There have been bad reviews.  See Washington Post article.

 

Her image has not evolved.   If only she would wear pants like in the Me Against the Music video instead of a leotard.  She has the same tired blond extensions.   She looked so hot when she had dark hair. 

 

Her sales are decent.  There are other artists who would kill for her sales (Xtina).  

 

I think she is likely happy with the numbers.  I do not think she wants to be on top of the world anymore.  She worked so hard to get to the top.  She did not get much time to enjoy her life during her rise to fame.  Being the most photographed person in the world was a huge burden.  She could not do anything for a while without hundreds of paps out there.   Today, she can take her kids to waterparks, Skyzone and Hawaii.  I think she is much happier today and does not want the burden of being on top.   

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20 hours ago, EcstasyEcstasyEcstasy said:

I feel bad for overseas, I feel like they are a very neglected fan base.

We're not neglected....she forgot her overseas fans many years ago... she needs some world tour, when was the las time she came europe? 

If you want a high love and fidelity  of your fans, you have to care them!

 

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21 hours ago, Universe>Exhale said:

I think Glory deserves to have all the success in the world, but the fact that it under-performed is undeniable.

 

I think its because of poor and ill advised performance and television appearances/Video/Album Cover but the music is so good that I think they can turn it all around.

 

How?

 

I think Britney has to throw conventions/top 40 out the window. Yep, that's right I said it.

 

Luckily for her she has tracks on "Glory" that can broaden her sound/appeal outside of the fan base and get the indie/blogs round the world rooting for her again.

 

  • She should fulfill her current promo schedule AND THEN stop the live performances/interviews
  • Shoot two singles back to back for a smaller budget and hire more artistic directors to create viral/art videos to get people talking about the MUSIC. Think outside the box
  • Release 2 Radio singles to international markets sans video: No Seas Cortes/Coupure Electrique
  • Avoid the Bieber and Selena comparisons and DO not play it safe! that means none of these "trendy" songs like: "Just Luv Me", "Better", "Slumber Party" as singles. (even though I luv them)

 

- "If I'm Dancing" and "Coupure Electrique" are the songs she needs to make videos for - think Lana Del Rey/Robyn with great visuals that make them viral hits.

 

And if they are successes then release 1 or 2 more singles to close off the record. Which ones? doesn't matter these can be the labels bid for top 40 and feature commercial videos with all the sponsoring in the world and Britney can resume her live television promotional campaign but without the negative connotation surrounding this era.

 

I just think Britney can't afford to play it safe anymore. She's losing ground in this overcrowded market.

 

:paper:

 

 

 

 

It's hard now for her to grow up her popularity after BJ album, hope she will do something good for (almost) everyone.

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21 hours ago, EcstasyEcstasyEcstasy said:

I feel bad for overseas, I feel like they are a very neglected fan base.

We're not neglected....she forgot her overseas fans many years ago... she needs some world tour, when was the las time she came europe? 

If you want a high love and fidelity  of your fans, you have to ca

16 hours ago, IceBreaker said:

You know what, I'm at a loss here - but my opinion is this:

 

First and foremost, "Glory" is a great album and very well made.  The lyrics, the vocals, the vibe, are all excellent and in no way inferior to her competitors - in fact, I think it's a step above most of the current female pop stars who are seeing a lot more success than Britney right now.  But, in a world where Taylor Swift and Meghan Trainor dominate the charts, one has to wonder - does it really matter anymore?  Just look at the top 10 on iTunes for single sales - who are some of these people?  Did anyone watch the VMA's?  Who were most of those people?  Maybe I'm just getting older but I have NO interest in what is being sold in the pop world anymore.  It's all about gimmicks and anthems and sob story songs but in the end a lot of the current hits are so forgettable and flavor of the moment - at least when Britney was the biggest pop star in the world her music was memorable (which is why she can pull off her Vegas residency).  The sales of the album do not indicate the quality of the album and I truly hope a lot of her fans don't turn their back on it because it's not selling millions of copies.  

 

But, getting back to the main topic - there were some BIG mistakes which have already been pointed out but here it goes:

 

1 - "Make Me" - by far my least favorite first single off an album.  It's not a bad song, but i'm extremely bored with it by the time G-whatever comes in.  I love the way Britney sings the verses, it does flow well, but it's just - boring.  This is the type of song that's popular right now and yet wasn't a massive hit for Britney - why?  I'm not sure - except the girls that sing this type of song have younger fans who dominate the pop market and maybe Britney just doesn't appeal to them?  if so, good!  but, not good for sales.  The single is surprisingly doing well despite slow track, horrible music video, and a performance at the VMA's which was less than expected.

 

2 - The VMA's.  Ok, we were all hyped up for an amazing performance - which turned into a G-Whatever performance - complete yawn fest.  Britney looked great, hit her moves as best she could and of course, offered not one line note.  I'm sorry, I know it's been repeated a million times, but this is becoming a real issue.  We need a live performance - which actual live vocals otherwise she will continue on a downward spiral.  Why is it so difficult?  She sounded fine doing karaoke - so what is the problem?  at least give us half!  and I can't sit here and say her dancing is the reason - it's not 2004 - we aren't getting those moves back - if she didn't bring them to Vegas, we are never getting that again.  Also, since she's performing at the VMA's - people wanted a spectacle, something shocking - daring, you know, like Britney used to give us - we got nothing.  How hard would it have been to give us a shocking/daring moment?  Then I think to myself, perhaps she doesn't want to be the center of attention anymore and be the snake/Madonna kiss type anymore and would rather just have fun.  Ok, well then if that's the case we are experiencing the outcome.  It is what it is.  

 

3 - Britney's image.  We need a re-invention, badly.  In order to be more accepted and embraced musically, were going to need more live performances - again, this is a problem.  All last week I heard about the lip synching and horrible VMA performance.  Speaking of her GP image - I still hear comments about her head shaving and driving with her kids on her lap - for god's sake - that was 10 fucking years ago.  Can we get it over it already?  apparently not.

 

4 - Vegas.  I support Vegas 100% and liked the show - however, without being on tour, she can't even perform many new songs, and since it's a GH show, she's not being seen as a current artist. I'm ready for Vegas to end a full scale tour to begin - but that's not up to me.

 

I truly believe if "Glory" was released by any other pop tart they would be praised and it would be a big seller, but no, since it's Britney it's going to be forgotten.  If a song like "Liar" was released by Carrie Underwood, it would be a #1 hit.  It's disgusting, but true.

 

 

Absolutely agree. All your points.

 

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22 hours ago, I_need_me said:

Well, first of all I don't think Glory underperformed, it did well on the USA and extremely well worldwide! I feel like after seeing these numbers her team should really consider doing some proper promo overseas! She's gonna have to travel to London to do the iTunes festivals, so I'd take the chance to release the second single by then and do some promo on the UK (talk shows, radio interviews, or even another performance in another TV show). The MV for the second single needs to be carefully prepared aswell. I'd make something simple but effective, maybe having an intro with her singing said single acapella and then once the actual song starts have her doing a killer choreography in some cool setting, do you know what I mean? Then she could attend the AMA's and perform a Glory medley with Invitation as an intro, then the second single and at the end a bit of another song that would eventually become the third single! 

I don't know if this makes sense, I don't know much about this stuff, but I think it'd be very nice! 

Perform a Glory medley...lol I fuckin wish. We know her team won't pull a Beyonce. That would be super epic tho....it's a white lush wintery vibe and she has on a big white fur coat and she's singing while walking then when the angelic harmony comes in her dancers emerge from the ground and they do simple but strong synchronized choreo. Nothing too much but I dance so what I'm seeing in my head would fuckin KNOCK

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I don't think Glory underperformed at all.  Chart supremacy doesn't happen much (aside from Taylor Swift, Adele, Drake, and Beyoncé), overall sales are at an all-time low and continue to decline with each passing year.  On any other week Britney would have snatched that #1 easily, this is the 1st time in '16 where three debuts sold over 100K.  I'm thankful the music, truly, speaks for itself and no "underwhelming" chart placement is changing that.  :goodside:

 

19 hours ago, IceBreaker said:

You know what, I'm at a loss here - but my opinion is this:

 

First and foremost, "Glory" is a great album and very well made.  The lyrics, the vocals, the vibe, are all excellent and in no way inferior to her competitors - in fact, I think it's a step above most of the current female pop stars who are seeing a lot more success than Britney right now.  But, in a world where Taylor Swift and Meghan Trainor dominate the charts, one has to wonder - does it really matter anymore?  Just look at the top 10 on iTunes for single sales - who are some of these people?  Did anyone watch the VMA's?  Who were most of those people?  Maybe I'm just getting older but I have NO interest in what is being sold in the pop world anymore.  It's all about gimmicks and anthems and sob story songs but in the end a lot of the current hits are so forgettable and flavor of the moment - at least when Britney was the biggest pop star in the world her music was memorable (which is why she can pull off her Vegas residency).  The sales of the album do not indicate the quality of the album and I truly hope a lot of her fans don't turn their back on it because it's not selling millions of copies.  

 

But, getting back to the main topic - there were some BIG mistakes which have already been pointed out but here it goes:

 

1 - "Make Me" - by far my least favorite first single off an album.  It's not a bad song, but i'm extremely bored with it by the time G-whatever comes in.  I love the way Britney sings the verses, it does flow well, but it's just - boring.  This is the type of song that's popular right now and yet wasn't a massive hit for Britney - why?  I'm not sure - except the girls that sing this type of song have younger fans who dominate the pop market and maybe Britney just doesn't appeal to them?  if so, good!  but, not good for sales.  The single is surprisingly doing well despite slow track, horrible music video, and a performance at the VMA's which was less than expected.

 

2 - The VMA's.  Ok, we were all hyped up for an amazing performance - which turned into a G-Whatever performance - complete yawn fest.  Britney looked great, hit her moves as best she could and of course, offered not one line note.  I'm sorry, I know it's been repeated a million times, but this is becoming a real issue.  We need a live performance - which actual live vocals otherwise she will continue on a downward spiral.  Why is it so difficult?  She sounded fine doing karaoke - so what is the problem?  at least give us half!  and I can't sit here and say her dancing is the reason - it's not 2004 - we aren't getting those moves back - if she didn't bring them to Vegas, we are never getting that again.  Also, since she's performing at the VMA's - people wanted a spectacle, something shocking - daring, you know, like Britney used to give us - we got nothing.  How hard would it have been to give us a shocking/daring moment?  Then I think to myself, perhaps she doesn't want to be the center of attention anymore and be the snake/Madonna kiss type anymore and would rather just have fun.  Ok, well then if that's the case we are experiencing the outcome.  It is what it is.  

 

3 - Britney's image.  We need a re-invention, badly.  In order to be more accepted and embraced musically, were going to need more live performances - again, this is a problem.  All last week I heard about the lip synching and horrible VMA performance.  Speaking of her GP image - I still hear comments about her head shaving and driving with her kids on her lap - for god's sake - that was 10 fucking years ago.  Can we get it over it already?  apparently not.

 

4 - Vegas.  I support Vegas 100% and liked the show - however, without being on tour, she can't even perform many new songs, and since it's a GH show, she's not being seen as a current artist. I'm ready for Vegas to end a full scale tour to begin - but that's not up to me.

 

I truly believe if "Glory" was released by any other pop tart they would be praised and it would be a big seller, but no, since it's Britney it's going to be forgotten.  If a song like "Liar" was released by Carrie Underwood, it would be a #1 hit.  It's disgusting, but true.  

 

That's just my opinion - and i'm no expert but these are some things i'm observing right about now.

 

 

 

:shook:  Not a single lie told.

 

Except "Make Me..."  I think it was the best choice for lead single.

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6 hours ago, Mr.Photographer said:

Perform a Glory medley...lol I fuckin wish. We know her team won't pull a Beyonce. That would be super epic tho....it's a white lush wintery vibe and she has on a big white fur coat and she's singing while walking then when the angelic harmony comes in her dancers emerge from the ground and they do simple but strong synchronized choreo. Nothing too much but I dance so what I'm seeing in my head would fuckin KNOCK

I mean, it doesn't need to be a full concert like Beyonce did, something like the medley she did at the BBMA's would be enough :yes:

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well first off glory is doing very well BETTER THAN Britney_Jean.png #JUSTSAYIN

 

could have it done better idk shes doing everything right this era performing on award shows, promoting non stop. you have to factor several things

now that she stop touring its not as exciting for the gp you looked forward to her releasing an album and coming to you and now shes not.

 

now make me could have done better IF SHE RELEASED THE ORIGINAL VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

ITS JUST MY OPINION BUT WE JUST GETTING STARTED AS BRITNEY SAYS

 

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10 hours ago, jkassover said:

now make me could have done better IF SHE RELEASED THE ORIGINAL VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

that's right!  I can't undrstand any decision she has taken about Make me: to be the first single...and refuse the Lachapelle's video. Well, if there was some excessive burning scenes, I'm sure it could be solved.

but, like you said.... wait and see 

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2 minutes ago, Viva La Jessica said:

its #3 on the billboard charts, how does it underperform? :crying3:

she has a lot of inconditional fans....we buy her albums although she releases a big shit. ( happily she haven't done any shit...)

Britney Jean was on #4 BB charts....does it mean it was an amazing performing even a great album? no, i don't think so.

 

Glory deserves a #1 , and not only at USA. 

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6 minutes ago, estherilla said:

she has a lot of inconditional fans....we buy her albums although she releases a big shit. ( happily she haven't done any shit...)

Britney Jean was on #4 BB charts....does it mean it was an amazing performing even a great album? no, i don't think so.

 

Glory deserves a #1 , and not only at USA. 

BJ was #4? i always thought it wasnt even in the top 20 :gloria:

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