Why Glory ain't so Glorious

[MMbritbritFAN]

 I have always stood up for Britney and everything she represents, still do. One of the reason i stopped logging into this site was to simply see her shine without naysayers or critics or so called "music industry experts" who think they know how to manage one of the most iconic pop stars of our generation. But while Glory is definitely Britney's most critically acclaimed album to date, it's also stuck. I have to admit, after a month, Glory was just another recent Britney release, hot for the moment and quickly loosing steam. But while it has hits, the problem is that some of the hits have expired sounds. The trends are changing and it seemed Britney picked them up after they were already used by other artist. It seems Britney picked the right sounds, but didn't keep up with how the landscape is changing almost every week. For example:

 

1) Make Me, while a good single and different lead single for a Britney album, suffered from one thing. Unknown rap feature. While G-Eazy has some radio hits to his name, he still an unknown music festival rap artist in Mainstream music. 

 

2) Britney's team of writers and producers, though hot right now, recycled sounds from other artist. Most of the songs Glory would have been hits had they been released months before. 

 

3) Glory has some experimental tracks on it, some with Brit speaking french. But for Britney it's experimental, for the general public, it's been there and done that.( Lady Gaga wore that out, tbh)

 

4) Glory's best singles are widely ignored. For Britney to set a trend in her career, "Liar", "Clumsy", and "Do You Want To Come Over" would have been the best singles to release. They aren't dated in sound and would push Britney in a new direction of setting trends, not following them. Her latest two singles have been done by Ariana Grande, Selena Gomez and Justin Bieber. 

 

But the overall factor of why Glory isn't as fresh anymore is because it seems Britney is letting RCA pick the singles. Britney obviously had a hand in creating the music but let RCA make the single decisions, especially after the Britney Jean fiasco. The label is treating her like an over the hill teen pop singer who is trying to be relevant. Both Glory singles scream "Remember Me, I'm Britney Spears" instead of "It's Britney, Bitch". She may have liked "Make Me" and "Slumber Party", but the performances and interviews aren't as enthusiastic as she tries to make them. It definitely sounds like Britney had other ideas for singles but is letting RCA take the reigns in order for them allow her to be in charge behind the scenes. Glory should have been Britney's rebirth. If it is, then it's gonna be a slow delivery. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[I_need_me]

I don't want to sound mean or bitter, but the truth is that the GP is just not here for Britney. In my opinion the singles she's released this year are perfect, had any other hot artist released Make Me or Slumber Party they would've become massive hits, but because they come from Britney they are totally ignored. I don't think Glory sounds outdated or anything, the sound and the quality are not the problem because when you play the radio the songs that are on the top of the lists are not that different from anything on Glory, they're not that special, but the problem is that the audience has a very random and unpredictable taste, and if they decide that they won't support what Britney Spears puts out then they won't. What I'm trying to say is that nowadays a single's success is not determined by the song itself, but by the artist and how much support it can get from the radio stations and the public, that's why Meghan Trainor can release Me Too, which I think is a very weak single, and still make it a hit, because she's big right now.

[M.E.]

I both agree and disagree. Some songs most definitely feel like they're following trends. Just Luv Me and Better are the most obvious examples and I'm really not sure why people want to push the latter as a single when the radio is already oversaturated with millions of Lean On clones. It's easily the most generic song on the album (although I'll admit it is catchy as fuck). However I think a lot of Glory feels like a throwback to Britney's earlier sounds, which I'm totally happy with. Glory is great because it has something for every kind of fan. So yeah, some of it has been beaten to death on the radio already by those artists you mentioned, but lbr Britney was doing it over 10 years ago on ITZ and the trend is just coming around again. Glory still feels fresh for me and I have yet to remove any of the songs from my playlist.

[Brian.TheDog]

1 hour ago, MMbritbritFAN said:

She may have liked "Make Me" and "Slumber Party", but the performances and interviews aren't as enthusiastic as she tries to make them. It definitely sounds like Britney had other ideas for singles but is letting RCA take the reigns in order for them allow her to be in charge behind the scenes. 

 

i can see this happening, she always comes alive performing Do You Wanna Come Over

[Mrs Jared Leto]

way to much text for me to read rn

[gimmework]

3 hours ago, MMbritbritFAN said:

 

4) Glory's best singles are widely ignored. For Britney to set a trend in her career, "Liar", "Clumsy", and "Do You Want To Come Over" would have been the best singles to release. They aren't dated in sound and would push Britney in a new direction of setting trends, not following them. Her latest two singles have been done by Ariana Grande, Selena Gomez and Justin Bieber. 

 

 

 

 

Sorry no shade.. but this whole post lost any validity for me when you make the argument that "Liar" doesn't have a dated sound! Don't get me wrong it's a bop and I love it, but it sounds like a mash up of Womanizer and Timber by Pitbull/Kesha! It is the most dated sounding song on the entire album!  Also I'm generally not here for complaining posts like these but you're certainly entitled to your opinion and I'm sure you make some decent points. Sure we'd all love for the charts to be slayed more so than they currently are, but good Godney there is so much to be thankful for this era that I can't even possibly be entertained by the idea of disappointment. The return of Primeney simply won't allow it! 

[MMbritbritFAN]

7 minutes ago, gimmework said:

 

 

Sorry no shade.. but this whole post lost any validity for me when you make the argument that "Liar" doesn't have a dated sound! Don't get me wrong it's a bop and I love it, but it sounds like a mash up of Womanizer and Timber by Pitbull/Kesha! It is the most dated sounding song on the entire album!  Also I'm generally not here for complaining posts like these but you're certainly entitled to your opinion and I'm sure you make some decent points. Sure we'd all love for the charts to be slayed more so than they currently are, but good Godney there is so much to be thankful for this era that I can't even possibly be entertained by the idea of disappointment. The return of Primeney simply won't allow it! 

Actually Liar has such a down home country/pop sound. Country music is a hidden dominating Genre and could actually get Britney Crossover appeal. Britney Spears and Country music would actually garner alot of attention not just from music critics but the GP. This is not a complaint thread, btw. Glory is a critical hit with alot going for it. But I am offering my opinion on why the album didnt take off like it should have. Its also not about chart placement, its about how a great album was put together, but maybe could have benefited from an earlier release. 

[MMbritbritFAN]

3 hours ago, I_need_me said:

I don't want to sound mean or bitter, but the truth is that the GP is just not here for Britney. In my opinion the singles she's released this year are perfect, had any other hot artist released Make Me or Slumber Party they would've become massive hits, but because they come from Britney they are totally ignored. I don't think Glory sounds outdated or anything, the sound and the quality are not the problem because when you play the radio the songs that are on the top of the lists are not that different from anything on Glory, they're not that special, but the problem is that the audience has a very random and unpredictable taste, and if they decide that they won't support what Britney Spears puts out then they won't. What I'm trying to say is that nowadays a single's success is not determined by the song itself, but by the artist and how much support it can get from the radio stations and the public, that's why Meghan Trainor can release Me Too, which I think is a very weak single, and still make it a hit, because she's big right now.

I agree with your point. But that point you made is also what I meant. Almost everything on the radio was released months before Glory was released. Make Me was actually right on schedule, considering slow jams were hits this summer but the video fiasco and song leaks took any chance of a hit away and Slumber Party is still being compared to Ariana Grandes Side to Side, which is already becoming outdated itself. The point is music taste change almost every week and the songs I listed arent really on the radio now. I dont really hear anything like DYWCO or Liar or Clumsy. Britney isnt a hit with GP right now because she has given herself to Vegas and prior to Glory, released subpar material. If a hit song can rejuvinate Mariah Carey's career (#beautiful was a summer hit) then it can for Britney. But timing and the right song is whats needed and so far, it hasnt.

[MMbritbritFAN]

2 hours ago, Brian.TheDog said:

 

i can see this happening, she always comes alive performing Do You Wanna Come Over

Exactly, Of released instead of Make Me and peformed at the VMA's, Glory wouldnt be on the ground right now.

[MMbritbritFAN]

3 hours ago, M.E. said:

I both agree and disagree. Some songs most definitely feel like they're following trends. Just Luv Me and Better are the most obvious examples and I'm really not sure why people want to push the latter as a single when the radio is already oversaturated with millions of Lean On clones. It's easily the most generic song on the album (although I'll admit it is catchy as fuck). However I think a lot of Glory feels like a throwback to Britney's earlier sounds, which I'm totally happy with. Glory is great because it has something for every kind of fan. So yeah, some of it has been beaten to death on the radio already by those artists you mentioned, but lbr Britney was doing it over 10 years ago on ITZ and the trend is just coming around again. Glory still feels fresh for me and I have yet to remove any of the songs from my playlist.

Agree, but like you said it has something for every kind of fan. But the single choices have been trend followers, not trend setters. Unless its Trap Music, two artist cant release a song with identical sounds. Make Me was one of a dozen slow jams during the summer and Ariana Grande already had the reggae sound on side to side first. Britney has the right material, its just about timing and the right single choice.

[gimmework]

8 minutes ago, MMbritbritFAN said:

Actually Liar has such a down home country/pop sound. Country music is a hidden dominating Genre and could actually get Britney Crossover appeal. Britney Spears and Country music would actually garner alot of attention not just from music critics but the GP. 

 

No. Just no... in reality Liar sounds like a hip-hop/pop song that uses a short country sample as an intro and outro. The majority of the song sounds like Womanizer or Katy Perry's ET. There is NOTHING down home about it. Even the country sample in Timber is more country than the sample in Liar and that's barely country either. 

 

Britney should NEVER do country music!!! Any true stan knows that and also knows that she leans towards hip hop and rock and not country in her personal tastes.. THANK GOD!! She even just paid dust to country when she scoffed at  Steven Tyler's country album and said it's just a phase. LOL..  

[laracroftonline]

sorry but slumber party was a request from the fans hardly from the label because the label wanted just bores me!

[MMbritbritFAN]

3 minutes ago, gimmework said:

 

No. Just no... in reality Liar sounds like a hip-hop/pop song that uses a short country sample as an intro and outro. The majority of the song sounds like Womanizer or Katy Perry's ET. There is NOTHING down home about it. Even the country sample in Timber is more country than the sample in Liar and that's barely country either. 

 

Britney should NEVER do country music!!! Any true stan knows that and also knows that she leans towards hip hop and rock and not country in her personal tastes.. THANK GOD!! She even just paid dust to country when she scoffed at  Steven Tyler's country album and said it's just a phase. LOL..  

A true stan also knows that it was not typical of a southern born singer to go the pop route instead of country. Also Blackout was the first album released by a mainstream pop artist that had elements of EDM infused. Also, ITZ was a major pop/hip-hop/RnB album.  Britney has mixed genres before, its what made her a trendsetter and a legend. Also, Timber is club dance song as Liar is more mellow. If you ever listened to Country Pop, it has the same sound as Liar. Not saying Britney should do a country album, but its a song that could do alot better than Slumber Party or Make Me could have. Plus no mainstream pop artist is doing Country Pop right now. Honestly, if Britney hated any element of country, Liar would have never been recorded. Granted, she wants to stay pop but there is a reason why she recorded the song. Its obviously a genre that she is interested in and she should explore it. 

[MMbritbritFAN]

7 minutes ago, laracroftonline said:

sorry but slumber party was a request from the fans hardly from the label because the label wanted just bores me!

A poll set up by the Label. Meaning they still have a say over how a single is picked.

[laracroftonline]

2 minutes ago, MMbritbritFAN said:

A poll set up by the Label. Meaning they still have a say over how a single is picked.

Still the fans got what they wanted in the end, also it's the fans still buying her stuff because the gp hardly cares so pleasing the fans in the end is smarter.

[gimmework]

2 minutes ago, MMbritbritFAN said:

 If you ever listened to Country Pop, it has the same sound as Liar. Not saying Britney should do a country album, but its a song that could do alot better than Slumber Party or Make Me could have. Plus no mainstream pop artist is doing Country Pop right now. Honestly, if Britney hated any element of country, Liar would have never been recorded. Granted, she wants to stay pop but there is a reason why she recorded the song. Its obviously a genre that she is interested in and she should explore it. 

 

YOU ARE A MESS!!!! 

 

Exhibit A) Country pop is Shania Twain and Taylor Swift Pre-1989. These artists and their albums sound NOTHING like LIAR! As I previously stated the majority of Liar sounds like hip-hop/pop, not country/pop. The short country sample at the beginning and end of the song don't make it a country/pop song!!

 

Exhibit B) So you're not saying she should do a county album, but you think it's a genre she should explore? Which one is it? MESS!

 This is a rhetorical question and I really don't need an answer! 

 

Exhibit C) What rock are you living under? Joanne says HI!!!! 

 

[MMbritbritFAN]

2 minutes ago, laracroftonline said:

Still the fans got what they wanted in the end, also it's the fans still buying her stuff because the gp hardly cares so pleasing the fans in the end is smarter.

Yes, pleasing the fans is smarter.But why are fans fighting for the song to maintain radio and youtube success when its just about us. Views and airplay shouldnt matter if were buying the music anyways?

[King]

4 hours ago, MMbritbritFAN said:

1) Make Me, while a good single and different lead single for a Britney album, suffered from one thing. Unknown rap feature. While G-Eazy has some radio hits to his name, he still an unknown music festival rap artist in Mainstream music. 

Make Me suffered from a bad video, not from a rap feature

4 hours ago, MMbritbritFAN said:

Glory's best singles are widely ignored. For Britney to set a trend in her career, "Liar", "Clumsy", and "Do You Want To Come Over" would have been the best singles to release.

Both of them are outdated and would be worst single choices at this point. DYWCO would work if it was released after Make Me and performed on the VMAs

[Brian.TheDog]

33 minutes ago, MMbritbritFAN said:

But why are fans fighting for the song to maintain radio and youtube success when its just about us. Views and airplay shouldnt matter if were buying the music anyways?

 

 

though i agree

[Illumination]

1 hour ago, MMbritbritFAN said:

Actually Liar has such a down home country/pop sound. Country music is a hidden dominating Genre and could actually get Britney Crossover appeal. Britney Spears and Country music would actually garner alot of attention not just from music critics but the GP. This is not a complaint thread, btw. Glory is a critical hit with alot going for it. But I am offering my opinion on why the album didnt take off like it should have. Its also not about chart placement, its about how a great album was put together, but maybe could have benefited from an earlier release. 

Ew no. No country! Liar is a bad song for Britney. Give that crap to Carrie Underwood. Britney needs to do upbeat dance music. 

[MMbritbritFAN]

21 minutes ago, gimmework said:

 

YOU ARE A MESS!!!! 

 

Exhibit A) Country pop is Shania Twain and Taylor Swift Pre-1989. These artists and their albums sound NOTHING like LIAR! As I previously stated the majority of Liar sounds like hip-hop/pop, not country/pop. The short country sample at the beginning and end of the song don't make it a country/pop song!!

 

Exhibit B) So you're not saying she should do a county album, but you think it's a genre she should explore? Which one is it? MESS!

 This is a rhetorical question and I really don't need an answer! 

 

Exhibit C) What rock are you living under? Joanne says HI!!!! 

 

One, never listened to Joanne cause honestly, Lady Gaga is played out in my book.

 

Two, Listen to Laura Bell Bundy and Jessie James, two well known Country singers who have released Country Pop singles. 

 

Three- You must not know hip hop cause there is no Hip Hop sounds in Liar. Need to get your hearing checked dear. RnB maybe, but hip hop? God no!!!

 

Four-You can experiment with a sound without going into the complete genre. Aerosmith with REAL hip hop for Walk This Way and they never released a hip hop album. Patti Labelle and Cyndi Lauper for True Colors but Patti never did a full pop album and Cyndi never did an RnB/Soul album. Artist experiement with different genres all the time but never release a complete album completely of that genre. Look at music history, its possible for Britney to show interest in country without releasing a country album.

 

And lastly A Mess? Dear, its called peaceful debate. I didnt resort to calling you names at first but acting like a BITCH and getting upset cause someone has a different view then you or because they challenged your view is immature and pathetic. As for Joanne, I DONT GIVE A FLIPPITY FLYING FUCK about Lady Gaga or her music. The same with people who didnt know Britney released an album, I didnt know Gaga released one either. She is not like Beyonce where everyone has to know she released music( Which drives me crazy). If she released a country pop song, then good for her and thanks for the correction of that ONE point, but dont come for me when  you really havent listened to country pop, have no idea what hip hop actually sounds like and think recording a country pop SONG means recording a country ALBUM! 

 

Also, your choice of a rhetorical question makes you sound like an UTTER idiot. Please stay in school and know reading is fundamental. 

[gimmework]

26 minutes ago, MMbritbritFAN said:

One, never listened to Joanne cause honestly, Lady Gaga is played out in my book.

 

Two, Listen to Laura Bell Bundy and Jessie James, two well known Country singers who have released Country Pop singles. 

 

Three- You must not know hip hop cause there is no Hip Hop sounds in Liar. Need to get your hearing checked dear. RnB maybe, but hip hop? God no!!!

 

Four-You can experiment with a sound without going into the complete genre. Aerosmith with REAL hip hop for Walk This Way and they never released a hip hop album. Patti Labelle and Cyndi Lauper for True Colors but Patti never did a full pop album and Cyndi never did an RnB/Soul album. Artist experiement with different genres all the time but never release a complete album completely of that genre. Look at music history, its possible for Britney to show interest in country without releasing a country album.

 

And lastly A Mess? Dear, its called peaceful debate. I didnt resort to calling you names at first but acting like a BITCH and getting upset cause someone has a different view then you or because they challenged your view is immature and pathetic. As for Joanne, I DONT GIVE A FLIPPITY FLYING FUCK about Lady Gaga or her music. The same with people who didnt know Britney released an album, I didnt know Gaga released one either. She is not like Beyonce where everyone has to know she released music( Which drives me crazy). If she released a country pop song, then good for her and thanks for the correction of that ONE point, but dont come for me when  you really havent listened to country pop, have no idea what hip hop actually sounds like and think recording a country pop SONG means recording a country ALBUM! 

 

Also, your choice of a rhetorical question makes you sound like an UTTER idiot. Please stay in school and know reading is fundamental. 

 

Honey no one is coming for you or reading you. Your silly insistence that Liar is country pop because it uses a short country sample accomplishes the reading itself.  I called you a mess because I thought your post was a mess.  Sorry if I offended you but retaliating by calling me a "Pathetic" "Immature" "Utter Idiot" "BITCH" says more about your true colors than it does about mine.  

 

You obviously want Britney to explore country and I obviously disagree with you. Neither of these opinions, or your assertion that Liar's more rnb than hip-hop, make it a country pop song!! For the 50th time, a short sample at the beginning and end of the song doesn't make it country pop, just like the sample in Timber doesn't change it from being a dance club pop song as you put it. Maybe I just need to get my hearing checked as you suggest but I couldn't find any Jessie James or Laura Bell Bundy songs that sound like Liar. Which songs sound like Liar?

 

You are the one that made the assertion that no major pop stars are making country pop. You don't have to be a Gaga fan or have listened to Joanne to know that she's a major pop star who has release a country pop influenced album. Promo for this has been all over the place unless you live under a rock. Perhaps you do live under a rock if you think that I should know about Jessie James and Laura Bell Bundy's releases but have no idea that Gaga released an album. 

 

I also feel like there is a huge difference between the sound of songs that are by country artists who are making country pop songs and the sound of pop artists that use country samples to make pop songs. Country pop sounds more like contemporary Taylor Swift's Red or Jessie James' stuff, while pop artist who sample country sounds tend to use really old school country western sounds like the flare horn and harmonica sound samples you hear in Liar and Timber.  Or one of my and Britney's personal favorite examples of this kind of sampling....

 

 

But by all means dear if you wanna stay pressed about the way I criticize or debate your opinions, feel free...  

[JoshLee]

I love Glory, honestly this is what she needed so people would stop saying "comeback" this is her last comeback

 

all songs are good and could be hits, it's just (according to my family and friends who don't like Britney opinions) Glory doesn't have "Britney" type hits.  

 

everyone knows britney as dance and bubblegum and regular pop not slow, mid-tempo  

 

So that's why Glory wasn't big, plus everyone wants sh*t rap music now so I mean that's also kinda why 

[heather]

People are so caught up in what they want think and feel they fail to even acknowledge what Britney wants. She praised Selena's album and sound, she's not trying to set trends and be that girl anymore. She's making the music she wants to make, and if it does well cool, if only her fans like it that's cool too. Britney has said on numerous occasions she's doing it for fun now and that's what were getting. If Britney wanted to top charts and set trends she would. She's done it, she knows what it takes. It doesn't matter how much fans want her to "grow as an artist" until she wants to its not going to happen.

 

 

I enjoy glory still everyday, I don't care where it is on charts and how her singles do. I care that Britney gave us a very solid album and her performances and promotion are steadily improving. The only single vibe I get from her is that she REALLY likes dywco. Make me was a good choice but the video drama ruined it, slumber party was strictly for the fans. I hope we get a third single and I hope its dywco, since that's clearly one of her favorites.

[MMbritbritFAN]

1 hour ago, gimmework said:

 

Honey no one is coming for you or reading you. Your silly insistence that Liar is country pop because it uses a short country sample accomplishes the reading itself.  I called you a mess because I thought your post was a mess.  Sorry if I offended you but retaliating by calling me a "Pathetic" "Immature" "Utter Idiot" "BITCH" says more about your true colors than it does about mine.  

 

You obviously want Britney to explore country and I obviously disagree with you. Neither of these opinions, or your assertion that Liar's more rnb than hip-hop, make it a country pop song!! For the 50th time, a short sample at the beginning and end of the song doesn't make it country pop, just like the sample in Timber doesn't change it from being a dance club pop song as you put it. Maybe I just need to get my hearing checked as you suggest but I couldn't find any Jessie James or Laura Bell Bundy songs that sound like Liar. Which songs sound like Liar?

 

You are the one that made the assertion that no major pop stars are making country pop. You don't have to be a Gaga fan or have listened to Joanne to know that she's a major pop star who has release a country pop influenced album. Promo for this has been all over the place unless you live under a rock. Perhaps you do live under a rock if you think that I should know about Jessie James and Laura Bell Bundy's releases but have no idea that Gaga released an album. 

 

I also feel like there is a huge difference between the sound of songs that are by country artists who are making country pop songs and the sound of pop artists that use country samples to make pop songs. Country pop sounds more like contemporary Taylor Swift's Red or Jessie James' stuff, while pop artist who sample country sounds tend to use really old school country western sounds like the flare horn and harmonica sound samples you hear in Liar and Timber.  Or one of my and Britney's personal favorite examples of this kind of sampling....

 

 

But by all means dear if you wanna stay pressed about the way I criticize or debate your opinions, feel free...  

Are you constipated? Are you having issues at home? Have you been without sex for too long? Dear you sound more pressed than I do. 

 

Also are you being made fun in school, cause that would explain why you cant read! . Are you having Helen Keller type symptons of blind and deafness? I really want tobknow cause this is really scary. Im here for you. Dear god to write sentences that make no sense is an issue here in America and as someone who works with those who have disabilities, your a certifiable candidate.

 

I apologize if my words offended you, and that instead of agreeing to disagree, I made you come of as an uneducated banshee. Do forgive me darling, I try so hard not to do that. 

 

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