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I'm really hoping it will be over soon  :aww1:

I'm sure a lot of it is just in paper now, but I just want to see Britney truly free like any regular adult and not having to ask permission for big decisions in her life. Also to have bigger control with her career. I'm actually excited for Vegas to end to see what happens.

 

I also feel like the day the conservatorship ends is when Britney would truly have moved on from 2007.

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Unpopular?? That's probably the most popular opinion related to the conservatorship

True, but some people don't like to question anything. Being skeptical about the c-ship can be seen as trying to be up in Britney's private matters. So...
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That's hardly an unpopular opinion but people need to keep in mind that we don't know everything that goes on in Britney's world. Were given information through tabloids and "sources" and you're left to choose what you believe. At the end of the day Britney appears happier, healthier, and more in control than she has in awhile. That is all I care about

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I found this online about an experience with a conservatorship

 

Conservatorship and Mental Illness: When to Let Go?
 

Nine years ago, I was appointed conservator of estate and person for my son Ben. I remember the court hearing well. Ben was in the middle of his first hospitalization for schizophrenia, refusing medication and wanted to be released.  The only way to keep him in the hospital, if he did not agree to stay voluntarily (and that certainly wasn’t happening), was to apply for conservatorship.  The hospital would then be legally required to keep Ben there – at least until the court date.

I remember the day well. Expert after expert, delivering the verdict: “Gravely disabled.†The words stung each time they were uttered, yet I knew it was true.


Ben tried gamely to defend himself, rallying his energies for a speech that was quite impressive for someone whose inner world was vying for his attention. Still, I got what I needed: the right to make decisions for Ben, to keep him in the hospital, to require that he take medication. The last two rights disappeared as soon as he was released, of course, but conservator status remained in place.

Each year since then, I have had to reapply for this status – and it has always been granted. This year, though, may bring change. I just got a call from a lawyer who has been assigned to get Ben’s take on this – and now he is questioning whether he wants me to continue in this role.

I am scared.

What to do? Well, we’re re-educating ourselves as to exactly what rights I have in this role, and whether Ben can truly function well without my supervision.  At the present time, things look great. Ben is taking his meds, is doing extremely well at the moment: part-time college, part-time work, and clean/sober years racking up.  But – just eight months ago he was wandering the halls of the psychiatric unit, once again â€œgravely disabled.† Had I not waved those conservatorship papers in front of the hospital staff, I would not have been invited to participate in Ben’s recovery plan – and then where would we – would he - be?

For relatives of those diagnosed with mental illness, this issue of legal rights is very complex.  When Ben is doing so well, he doesn’t really need me. But – should crisis hit again – what then? Can I get him to sign a basic release of information form now, maybe a power of attorney for times of hospitalization, instead? Will that guarantee me my rights to be on his treatment team? Will he sign these now, while he is reasonable and balanced, in the hopes that I will never have to use them?

What have you done? Have you faced this decision in the past? How have you made sure of your rights to make decisions for your loved one, be allowed to access medical information when necessary, without conservator papers?

 
 
I notice it seems hard to know when really to end a conservatorship.
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It's not about the changes.

If you're under a c-ship, you feel bad.And when you're out of it, you feel better, but mostly inside, not in the surface.That's not a big change to others, but does it mean you should not be out of it?

 

If she's mentally healthy now, which is what i believe in, she should be out of this c-ship and be a totally free person again and she deserves it.I don't care how much she will change.

 

(And i agree with you OP, don't misunderstand me :) ..I just don't like some comments here.I think things will change a lot and she will move on from 2007 after the c-ship, it's just not the main reason why i want it to be end.)

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It should end. She's 32! It's been 7 years...how much longer will they keep her under it?? When she gets older and eventually her father passes, will they just pass on control of britneys life to Jamie Lynn or Sean Preston?? It's ridiculous :icanttt:

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It should end. She's 32! It's been 7 years...how much longer will they keep her under it?? When she gets older and eventually her father passes, will they just pass on control of britneys life to Jamie Lynn or Sean Preston?? It's ridiculous :icanttt:

 

Your sig always makes me laught so much  :wahlykeomg:

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I'm really hoping it will be over soon  :aww1:

I'm sure a lot of it is just in paper now, but I just want to see Britney truly free like any regular adult and not having to ask permission for big decisions in her life. Also to have bigger control with her career. I'm actually excited for Vegas to end to see what happens.

 

I also feel like the day the conservatorship ends is when Britney would truly have moved on from 2007.

 

 

Unpopular?? That's probably the most popular opinion related to the conservatorship

 

I agree, I think this is the popular opinion. I honestly have the unpopular opinion that the conservatorship is probably what she prefers and what's best for her.

 

TBH ..I think the conservatorship allows her to actually live and enjoy her life instead of having to be in Business Woman mode all the time. She's already incredibly busy as it is, If she didn't have the conservatorship there would be 3 times the amount of meetings, court dates, big decisions..etc. I don't think she is the "Madonna" like business woman that wants to spend all of her time being in complete control of everything.

 

I think she likes to focus and be in control of the task at hand or whatever artistic project is in front of her at the time whether it's a new album or an intimates collection...etc. She is known to have nerves and anxiety so I doubt she would want to be in control of every thing. I think she would be overwhelmed and so I think the conservatorship helps with that a lot. 

 

She seems to be very happy right now and for the last few years and seem to be getting happier and happier each cycle so I don't really think the conservatorship is effecting her in any negative way. I think she still has creative input with her music just like she always has and I think the conversatorship just helps with the legal parts that are more complicated. Plus her father looks out of her and I think that's the whole purpose of it too.. 

 

Maybe it's just me but that's how I see it..  :P

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Britney is under two Conservatorships. Conservatorship of the Estate and Conservatorship of the Person. Britney has to get her personal C-Ship back before she can take control of anything else. I think that is why they are fighting Britney on getting her personal C-Ship back. They are afraid Britney will then Petition the Court for control of her Estate once again. Their they would lose money. Also, Britney has a Court appointed Attorney that her Dad helps pays for. To me that is a conflict of interest.

Andrew Wallet Co-Conservator of the Estate.
Jamie Spears Co-Conservator of the Estate and Conservator of the Person.

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I agree, I think this is the popular opinion. I honestly have the unpopular opinion that the conservatorship is probably what she prefers and what's best for her.

 

TBH ..I think the conservatorship allows her to actually live and enjoy her life instead of having to be in Business Woman mode all the time. She's already incredibly busy as it is, If she didn't have the conservatorship there would be 3 times the amount of meetings, court dates, big decisions..etc. I don't think she is the "Madonna" like business woman that wants to spend all of her time being in complete control of everything.

 

I think she likes to focus and be in control of the task at hand or whatever artistic project is in front of her at the time whether it's a new album or an intimates collection...etc. She is known to have nerves and anxiety so I doubt she would want to be in control of every thing. I think she would be overwhelmed and so I think the conservatorship helps with that a lot. 

 

She seems to be very happy right now and for the last few years and seem to be getting happier and happier each cycle so I don't really think the conservatorship is effecting her in any negative way. I think she still has creative input with her music just like she always has and I think the conversatorship just helps with the legal parts that are more complicated. Plus her father looks out of her and I think that's the whole purpose of it too.. 

 

Maybe it's just me but that's how I see it..  :P

 

Hmm :yaknow:

I doubt even without it she would be in control of everything, though. She'll obviously hire people. What mainly bothers me is she probably can't make all the big decisions by herself, like getting married, probably if she wants to start a tour or not, etc.

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My unpopular opinion is she feels safe with the conservatorship.

 

My other unpopular opinion is that Jamie isn't corrupt or taking advantage of Britney. I think her parents were desperate and willing to do anything to help their daughter (as any parent would), and someone told them about the conservatorship. I doubt Jamie went into this with plans to make Britney's life like a prison for 6+ years, but with everyone involved (doctors, lawyers, a shady judge), it's probably impossible to end. I also think it serves as insurance for Britney to go on tour or get an endorsement deal, and I honestly believe she's kind of screwed with the conservatorship because she could lose access to the boys if it ends.

 

IMO, it probably exists only on paper now. Jamie hasn't lived with Britney for some time (he admitted that in the 2008 OK! interview); she's driven on her own; hangs out with friends; and besides having bodyguards around, she even goes out with the boys alone. Nobody knows what her mental health is truly like, nobody knows what happens behind closed doors, and nobody on here is in any position to say when they think it should end.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of the conservatorship. But let's be real: she won't have this sudden control over her career once it's over. She's been fighting for control over her career since ITZ era. Some fans seem to think she'll suddenly turn into 2003-ney and I doubt that will happen.

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I agree, I think this is the popular opinion. I honestly have the unpopular opinion that the conservatorship is probably what she prefers and what's best for her.

 

TBH ..I think the conservatorship allows her to actually live and enjoy her life instead of having to be in Business Woman mode all the time. She's already incredibly busy as it is, If she didn't have the conservatorship there would be 3 times the amount of meetings, court dates, big decisions..etc. I don't think she is the "Madonna" like business woman that wants to spend all of her time being in complete control of everything.

 

I think she likes to focus and be in control of the task at hand or whatever artistic project is in front of her at the time whether it's a new album or an intimates collection...etc. She is known to have nerves and anxiety so I doubt she would want to be in control of every thing. I think she would be overwhelmed and so I think the conservatorship helps with that a lot. 

 

She seems to be very happy right now and for the last few years and seem to be getting happier and happier each cycle so I don't really think the conservatorship is effecting her in any negative way. I think she still has creative input with her music just like she always has and I think the conversatorship just helps with the legal parts that are more complicated. Plus her father looks out of her and I think that's the whole purpose of it too.. 

 

Maybe it's just me but that's how I see it..  :P

This a 100 times!! This is what I have been saying since 2008. 

The c-ship really doesn't do any bad, it helps her focus, it takes away all the bullshit, and the first year or two people couldn't take her to court. She owed millions of dollars from 2007!! She spent more than 700.000$ A MONTH back then, and people said, if she didn't get help, she would have been bankrupt faster than you can say conservatorship drunk. 

 

It's really the only way she could get her kids back, it was the only way people would inshure her tours and hire her for stuff, people didn't want her in 2007 because she was so unstable. 

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i just find it all really bizarre that she is still under conservatorship and she is okay with that. if most people were under something like that they could get out of it by getting a lawyer or they would go to the media  if it was a celebrity. there is person in my family one of my cousins who is actually certifiably crazy probably more so than britney and has addiction to alcohol well this guys parents tried to have him admitted to a hospital involuntarily and get control of him in a legal sense and he hired a lawyer and got himself discharged. most celebrities are not business people who are able to handle money and different contracts that is what managers are for and britney has always had a couple of them working for her.

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Hmm :yaknow:

I doubt even without it she would be in control of everything, though. She'll obviously hire people. What mainly bothers me is she probably can't make all the big decisions by herself, like getting married, probably if she wants to start a tour or not, etc.

 

I really believe that she still does get to make those kinds of decisions as much as she would want to.. I don't think her Dad has such a tight leash that he makes those kinds of decisions for her.. I think it's probably more that she makes those kinds of decisions, some of them with Larry and then Jaime signs off on them. I think it's more protective than hindering..  :thumbsup: I mean even without the conservatorship she would have to hire people like you said which is a difficult enough task.. you know hiring the right people and keeping them in check comes with all sorts of responsibility. With the c-ship her family gets to do that stuff for her. :)   

 

This a 100 times!! This is what I have been saying since 2008. 

The c-ship really doesn't do any bad, it helps her focus, it takes away all the bullshit, and the first year or two people couldn't take her to court. She owed millions of dollars from 2007!! She spent more than 700.000$ A MONTH back then, and people said, if she didn't get help, she would have been bankrupt faster than you can say conservatorship drunk. 

 

It's really the only way she could get her kids back, it was the only way people would inshure her tours and hire her for stuff, people didn't want her in 2007 because she was so unstable. 

 

I completely agree!  :hug::kisskiss:  Everyone was coming for her and still could legally come for her and try to sue her until all the statues of limitations run out..etc.. And beyond that I think you're right that it probably helps her focus and not worry about all those kinds of things! 

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I just don't understand why the extended it. It was going to end and they decided to make it longer. But the good thing about that is that you can see that its possible to get out of the c-ship, but they chose not to. That makes me wonder if she got a breakdown behind close doors as some people say. Anyway..i wish it would end because that way we would know for a fact that she is completely healthy again

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we do not know what is happening, and it is probable that it is only on paper now. I mean some of yall have said she has 2 one of estate and one of person. They should get rid of the person one and keep the estate one because lets be honest she spent 30,000 on her dogs :frenchy:

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